tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599152.post4647467946776713420..comments2023-09-02T18:30:14.831-07:00Comments on Dawn Colclasure's Blog: Are you writing for money or writing for the sake of writing?Dawn Wilsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06291423272908722351noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599152.post-3765374110592290702010-08-26T06:37:18.991-07:002010-08-26T06:37:18.991-07:00Thank you for commenting further on this. :) I agr...Thank you for commenting further on this. :) I agree with a lot of your points.<br /><br />"But the point is that it takes a lot of working and learning and practicing to get to the point where your writing is fit for public consumption."<br /><br />Yes, this is VERY true! No writer just starting out will have this writing thing honed to perfection to a point where they sell the very first thing they write -- or have it in acceptable condition for publication. Though many do go about their merry way all the same, using sites like Lulu or their blogs to publish their work. Bad idea.Dawn Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06291423272908722351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599152.post-48482123674252957952010-07-17T08:34:36.894-07:002010-07-17T08:34:36.894-07:00I think we have two different issues here.
On the...I think we have two different issues here.<br /><br />On the one hand, there are plenty of places -- like those article mills you mentioned -- which are essentially set up to take advantage of the newbie writer's burning wish to be paid something, <i>anything</i> for their work. They're also taking advantage of the idea floating around that of course all writers have to "pay their dues," by which is usually meant placing work with non-paying or extremely low-paying markets before they can expect a decent return on their efforts.<br /><br />To me, these kinds of set-ups are only half a step up from the vanity presses that pretend they're some kind of new marketing paradigm, preying upon the baby writer's desperation to get published. They're both scams IMO, taking advantage of the fact that there are more writers out there than there are legitimate, reasonably paying market slots for them to sell to.<br /><br />And if someone gets caught up in that kind of scam, I can't honestly blame them for figuring, "Heck, they're only paying me five bucks -- I'm not about to put ten hours of research into this." Seriously, who would? :/<br /><br />The other issue is that of honing your skill and learning your craft. Writing is one of the few crafts where it's widely believed that your first efforts should be published. If someone just handed you a trumpet, you probably wouldn't go out to a public park at lunchtime to make your first honks on it, or practice your first scales down in the subway with a tip jar in front of you. But far too many writers finish their first story or article and then try to sell it -- <i>expect</i> to sell it. Or at least get it published somewhere.<br /><br />Yikes.<br /><br />Writers have to serve an apprenticeship just like anyone else. I've heard rules of thumb citing both a million and two million words of apprenticeship for writers. Another one took a different angle and said a thousand rejection slips. But the point is that it takes a <i>lot</i> of working and learning and practicing to get to the point where your writing is fit for public consumption. If a baby writer doesn't have the determination to work through that period of learning and practicing, then they're not cut out to be professional writers, period. It's like someone taking a Red Cross first aid course, then expecting to be hired by a hospital -- it's a crazy idea, and everyone knows it's a crazy idea, in just about any field except writing.<br /><br />Sure, anyone who's here just for the money is frankly stupid. There are much easier and surer ways of getting rich. Writers need to <i>love</i> to write, and want to keep doing it even in the face of those thousand rejection slips.<br /><br />At the same time, though, they should expect that when they've learned and improved to the point where they <i>are</i> ready to be published, they'll be paid a decent amount for their work. It's up to each writer to decide what "decent" means, but five or ten dollars for hours of work isn't anywhere in the same ZIP code as "decent" IMO. Selling yourself that short results in 1) being taken gross advantage of, and 2) having work out there with your name on it which really shouldn't be out there yet. Neither case is of any benefit to the writer.<br /><br />AngieAngiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920578701763415331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599152.post-8866669284366964622010-07-17T08:13:59.829-07:002010-07-17T08:13:59.829-07:00Thanks for the very thorough comment, Angie. I apo...Thanks for the very thorough comment, Angie. I apologize for taking so long to respond!<br /><br />I agree that there are negative perceptions about writers who have made writing their trade, but there is a reason, I think, for these perceptions. For one, many writers writing for money seem to throw themselves at job opportunities they are not exactly qualified for. As an example, I used to write for eHow, and MANY of the topics they assign to writers are best left to someone who KNOWS their stuff and can competently write about that topic. Many writers believe if they do enough research or ask around enough, they can position themselves as an expert -- even when, on the surface, MANY of the things writers were assigned to write about (such as horse care and carpentry) were better left to someone who had actual experience in that field. Their failed attempts to do this can tarnish the perception that writers can competently write about something if they put enough research into it. Also, a writer who will take on writing a book just because the money is good likewise contributes to that negative perception of writers who call writing their trade. Finally, because of their skill with words, that negative perception of writers "in it for the money" is strengthened when writers write something in an email or article luring readers into buying their books or hiring them for their services. All such writers are seen as hacks who sell their souls to the highest bidder. While SOME writers may indeed fit that description, many do not, because they know and understand that writing is a business, and so they see it as just business. <br /><br />You have to ask yourself what you are interested in getting, in the long term. A writer being paid for their work WILL put in that extra effort, but a writer who is not being paid will either pass or give very minimal effort to the amount of time, research and craft they put into their writing. On the other hand, I see writers devoting their time and efforts to writing articles for sites where they are only being paid pennies for their efforts, and where their income depends on whether or not someone clicks on an ad or comments on their work, and it's just heartbreaking. They put so much of their time and effort into those articles for practically nothing at all, when they could do so for sites and markets that will at least pay them a decent sum. <br /><br />The drive to earn money from writing can cloud the writer's perceptions and make them forget the real goal of being a writer: To perfect their skill with words. The more the writer writes, the better they will write. I support a writer trying to earn money from their writing, but I don't support the writer who makes it ALL about the money. They need to have that love for writing, that desire to be better writers, and that motivation to keep writing even if it does not mean getting paid for it. By maintaining the discipline to keep writing even when times are bad, the writer will reap financial rewards for their efforts to perfect their writing craft when times are good.Dawn Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06291423272908722351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599152.post-41248087319466527082010-06-06T09:38:42.411-07:002010-06-06T09:38:42.411-07:00I definitely agree that folks who are here for the...I definitely agree that folks who are here for the money are much better off elsewhere. [wry smile]<br /><br />At the same time, though, there's this insidious notion in our culture that anyone working in a creative field should be doing it <i>only</i> for the love of it, that any writer (painter, actor, musician, whatever) who expresses interest in making a living or getting more money is somehow greedy or cynical, and that the work they do is tainted by their interest in money.<br /><br />This is utter crap, of course, but the idea is out there anyway. It's an ironic dichotomy -- the belief that of <i>course</i> writers should make a bazillion dollars on their first novel, coexisting with the belief that "real" writers shouldn't care about money. While it's true that any writer who <i>expects</i> a lot of money, especially right from the start, is doomed to disappointment, it's also true that a writer who doesn't care about money -- or pretends they don't because they believe that's how they're supposed to think -- is ripe to be exploited and cheated by unscrupulous people who have no problem wanting a lot of money for themselves at others' expense. Writing professionally is a business, and approaching it in a businesslike manner, including expecting fair return for quality work, is the way to go.<br /><br />AngieAngiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920578701763415331noreply@blogger.com